Comments on: Israeli art student scam in Melbourne? http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm Blogger, business analyst and online producer. Melbourne, Australia. Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:27:55 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Pissed http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm/comment-page-5#comment-985 Pissed Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:34:34 +0000 http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm#comment-985 They are in California now. Just called the cops and they are filing a report. Stopping payment on my check. Anyone wanna buy some art? LOL! They are in California now. Just called the cops and they are filing a report. Stopping payment on my check. Anyone wanna buy some art? LOL!

]]> By: Tina http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm/comment-page-4#comment-981 Tina Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:40:51 +0000 http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm#comment-981 In China, scammers approach tourists at popular attractions such as the Forbidden City and Tiananmen Square.[20] The scammer speaks English well enough to get into a conversation with the foreigner. The scammer claims to be an art student whose works are on display at a nearby exhibition which is part of the scam and sells mass-produced art reproductions at exorbitant prices. There are warnings about this scam in tourist guides. Tina from <a href="http://www.canvas-oil-paintings.com" rel="nofollow"> canvas oil paintings </a> In China, scammers approach tourists at popular attractions such as the Forbidden City and Tiananmen Square.[20] The scammer speaks English well enough to get into a conversation with the foreigner. The scammer claims to be an art student whose works are on display at a nearby exhibition which is part of the scam and sells mass-produced art reproductions at exorbitant prices. There are warnings about this scam in tourist guides. Tina from canvas oil paintings

]]> By: ISRAELI GUY http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm/comment-page-4#comment-979 ISRAELI GUY Thu, 13 Oct 2011 01:09:03 +0000 http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm#comment-979 HELLO EVERYONE! I WAS WORK THIS DOOR 2 DOOR SALE SOME PLACES IN THE WORLD ! MANY PEOPLE HERE FEEL THAT THEY SCAMED AND I THINK IT'S NOT SO TRUE. 1. U ALL DO KNOW WHAT U PAY FOR U KNOW IT'S A PAINTINGS ,U DIDN'T GOT SOMETHING IN A BOX AND DISCOVER OTHER THING! U TOUCHED THEM SMELL THEM. 2. THE PAINTINGS ARE FROM CHAINA...SO WHAT? IT'S STILL BEAUTIFUL. IT'S STILL SOMETHING U LIKE AND SOMEONE TALENTED PAINT THEM. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH CHAINA ? YOUR CLOTHES SHOES OR TV AREN'T? THOSE PAINTINGS ARE REALY HAND MADE AND I WAS CHECK IT BY PUT THE "SAME" PAINTINGS NEAR BY AND U CAN SEE THE DIFFRENT THEY ARE REPRODUCTIONS BUT NOT A COPY OF ANY MACHINES! THIS PRODUCT STAY FOREVER I'VE ONE IN MY ROOM FOR YEARS AND IT'S LOOK 100% SAME AS I GET IT! 3. THIS WAY MANY PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THEMSELF ART IN THEM HOUSE AND NOT PRICES OF GALLERY. 4. EVERY COUNTRY IS DIFFRENT PRICES WHEN U BUY COFFEE IT'S COST U 4-6 DOLLARS. WHY U PAY SO MUCH FOR THE OWNER OF THE COFFEE SHOP IT'S COST SOME CENTS IS THAT A SCAM???? NO!!!! IT'S BUISNESS LIKE ANY OTHER BUISNESS EVERYONE WANT TO EARN THAT'S THE WAY IT GO! THE PEOPLE WHO SELL IT IT'S NOT A STUDENTS OF COURSE. STUDENTS ARE STUDY THEY DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS THOSE PEOPLE ARE A SELLS MAN OR BACKPACERS WHO ACTING AS SELLS MAN! AND THAT'S THE WAY U SHOULD TREAT THAT. WHO CARES IF THEY ARE A GROUP OF 75 / 95 OR 1 MILLION!!!! AT HE END IT'S JUST ONE OR TWO GUYS KNOCK YOUR DOOR AND TRY SELL U SOMETHING . THIS WAY MANY PEOPLE CAN TRAVELL YOUR COUNTRY SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD CAN'T TRAVELL IN AUSTRALIA FOR EXAMPLE U R REALY HELP THAT WAY AND THE MONEY BACK TO U SOMEHOW AND STAY IN YOUR COUNTRY ! MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO DOING THAT ARE REALY OK AND GREAT PEOPLE OPEN MIND AND I'M SURE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THIS PAINTINGS LIKE THE SELLS MAN AND TALK WITH HIM NICE CONVESATION!! IM NOT AGREE WITH LIES ON THE PRODUCT! IT'S ALL NEED TO HAVE GOOD VIBES FOR MY OPINION THIS IS REALY GREAT THING 4 EVERYONE !!!! BE POSITIVE!!!! HELLO EVERYONE! I WAS WORK THIS DOOR 2 DOOR SALE SOME PLACES IN THE WORLD !
MANY PEOPLE HERE FEEL THAT THEY SCAMED AND I THINK IT’S NOT SO TRUE.
1. U ALL DO KNOW WHAT U PAY FOR U KNOW IT’S A PAINTINGS ,U DIDN’T GOT SOMETHING IN A BOX AND DISCOVER OTHER THING! U TOUCHED THEM SMELL THEM.
2. THE PAINTINGS ARE FROM CHAINA…SO WHAT? IT’S STILL BEAUTIFUL. IT’S STILL SOMETHING U LIKE AND SOMEONE TALENTED PAINT THEM. WHAT’S THE PROBLEM WITH CHAINA ? YOUR CLOTHES SHOES OR TV AREN’T? THOSE PAINTINGS ARE REALY HAND MADE AND I WAS CHECK IT BY PUT THE “SAME” PAINTINGS NEAR BY AND U CAN SEE THE DIFFRENT
THEY ARE REPRODUCTIONS BUT NOT A COPY OF ANY MACHINES! THIS PRODUCT STAY FOREVER I’VE ONE IN MY ROOM FOR YEARS AND IT’S LOOK 100% SAME AS I GET IT!
3. THIS WAY MANY PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THEMSELF ART IN THEM HOUSE AND NOT PRICES OF GALLERY.
4. EVERY COUNTRY IS DIFFRENT PRICES
WHEN U BUY COFFEE IT’S COST U 4-6 DOLLARS. WHY U PAY SO MUCH FOR THE OWNER OF THE COFFEE SHOP IT’S COST SOME CENTS IS THAT A SCAM???? NO!!!!
IT’S BUISNESS LIKE ANY OTHER BUISNESS EVERYONE WANT TO EARN THAT’S THE WAY IT GO!

THE PEOPLE WHO SELL IT IT’S NOT A STUDENTS OF COURSE. STUDENTS ARE STUDY THEY DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS
THOSE PEOPLE ARE A SELLS MAN OR BACKPACERS WHO ACTING AS SELLS MAN!
AND THAT’S THE WAY U SHOULD TREAT THAT. WHO CARES IF THEY ARE A GROUP OF 75 / 95 OR 1 MILLION!!!! AT HE END IT’S JUST ONE OR TWO GUYS KNOCK YOUR DOOR AND TRY SELL U SOMETHING .

THIS WAY MANY PEOPLE CAN TRAVELL YOUR COUNTRY SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD CAN’T TRAVELL IN AUSTRALIA FOR EXAMPLE U R REALY HELP THAT WAY AND THE MONEY BACK TO U SOMEHOW AND STAY IN YOUR COUNTRY ! MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO DOING THAT ARE REALY OK AND GREAT PEOPLE OPEN MIND AND I’M SURE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THIS PAINTINGS LIKE THE SELLS MAN AND TALK WITH HIM NICE CONVESATION!!

IM NOT AGREE WITH LIES ON THE PRODUCT! IT’S ALL NEED TO HAVE GOOD VIBES FOR MY OPINION THIS IS REALY GREAT THING 4 EVERYONE !!!!
BE POSITIVE!!!!

]]> By: John http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm/comment-page-4#comment-977 John Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:33:25 +0000 http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm#comment-977 Its not really a scam when you CHOOSE to hand your hard earned money over. Its not really a scam when you CHOOSE to hand your hard earned money over.

]]> By: Mel http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm/comment-page-4#comment-966 Mel Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:23:02 +0000 http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm#comment-966 Ok I have just been scammed too! Had a really nice girl knock on my door at 7pm in Doreen melboune Australia area. Silly me thought it was all really odd & that the paintings were re-productions. But we brought 2 for 260. So I don't feel totally ripped off lol. And I do love the paintings. Will not be getting them to frame it though. Sounds way to dodgy. Even though they r from china, I'm happybwith them lol But I knew when I asked her about if they had a website or business card that something was off when she said they didn't have one! But hey love the paintings & will be hanging them even if they r cheap replicas. Mel Ok I have just been scammed too!
Had a really nice girl knock on my door at 7pm in Doreen melboune Australia area.
Silly me thought it was all really odd & that the paintings
were re-productions. But we brought 2 for 260. So I don’t feel totally ripped off lol.
And I do love the paintings. Will not be getting them to frame it though. Sounds way to dodgy.
Even though they r from china, I’m happybwith them lol
But I knew when I asked her about if they had a website or business card that something was off when she said they didn’t have one!
But hey love the paintings & will be hanging them even if they r cheap replicas.
Mel

]]> By: Nicolas http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm/comment-page-4#comment-964 Nicolas Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:16:09 +0000 http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm#comment-964 Hi folk, I feel like sharing with everyone, hopefully you'll feel all a bit better. First let's say the most important: those guys are not only Israelis, they are backpackers from all around the world who don’t really know what they do. I'm French; I did it myself and am not proud of it. Although it's the only job I found to pay my travels. I feel bad about the whole thing but in the same time, some of the buyers will never know and they were so happy to buy a real painting with a story behind it for 100 bucks, really happy. I truly hope they will never read those blogs so they can still enjoy those beautiful colors in their homes. In the same time I think I really earned this money, walking 8-10 hours in 30-35 degrees and forcing doors was really hard. I was so happy when I finally could stop this terrible job and have enough money to discover your beautiful country. The money you gave me guys, I gave it back to your economy. I had only 200 bucks on my bank account when I got back home but thanks to you I had thousand of beautiful landscapes in my head. Those young students do this door-to-door job as any other shitty job they could find to pay their travels. Before judging those poor young guys, check what motivates them to accept those sad jobs. Working for 3 or 5 bucks an hour in a restaurant does not pay. Have you ever checked that the pizza you have in your plate at the restaurant has not been prepared by a poor backpacker (yes for me 3$/hour is a poor salary). Hope you’ll do it next time. Yes those canvases are probably made in China. And what? You like one of the canvas? Good for you, buy it. Do you think you have paid more that what it was worth? Where would you have bought art? How much would you have paid? Next time you have one of those backpackers at your home, don’t yell at him. Tell him/her that lying about the origin of a product is not fair. Advise him to tell the truth about the product. If there is a canvas that you like, tell him you would love buying one for what is fair for you and help this young guy/girl to understand a bit of life. Hope I have not hurt anyone. Regards. Nicolas Hi folk,

I feel like sharing with everyone, hopefully you’ll feel all a bit better.

First let’s say the most important: those guys are not only Israelis, they are backpackers from all around the world who don’t really know what they do. I’m French; I did it myself and am not proud of it. Although it’s the only job I found to pay my travels.

I feel bad about the whole thing but in the same time, some of the buyers will never know and they were so happy to buy a real painting with a story behind it for 100 bucks, really happy. I truly hope they will never read those blogs so they can still enjoy those beautiful colors in their homes.

In the same time I think I really earned this money, walking 8-10 hours in 30-35 degrees and forcing doors was really hard. I was so happy when I finally could stop this terrible job and have enough money to discover your beautiful country.

The money you gave me guys, I gave it back to your economy. I had only 200 bucks on my bank account when I got back home but thanks to you I had thousand of beautiful landscapes in my head.

Those young students do this door-to-door job as any other shitty job they could find to pay their travels. Before judging those poor young guys, check what motivates them to accept those sad jobs. Working for 3 or 5 bucks an hour in a restaurant does not pay. Have you ever checked that the pizza you have in your plate at the restaurant has not been prepared by a poor backpacker (yes for me 3$/hour is a poor salary). Hope you’ll do it next time.

Yes those canvases are probably made in China. And what? You like one of the canvas? Good for you, buy it. Do you think you have paid more that what it was worth? Where would you have bought art? How much would you have paid?

Next time you have one of those backpackers at your home, don’t yell at him. Tell him/her that lying about the origin of a product is not fair. Advise him to tell the truth about the product. If there is a canvas that you like, tell him you would love buying one for what is fair for you and help this young guy/girl to understand a bit of life.

Hope I have not hurt anyone.

Regards.

Nicolas

]]> By: Puzzled http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm/comment-page-4#comment-961 Puzzled Sat, 02 Oct 2010 22:41:42 +0000 http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm#comment-961 This "scam" has been going on since at least the late 1960s (which was when I first encountered it in England). What is peculiar/suspicious about it is that although the paintings always seem to originate in China, the sellers/students are always Israeli. So, why are young Israelis (in preference to other nationalities) traipsing the world selling dodgy paintings? This “scam” has been going on since at least the late 1960s (which was when I first encountered it in England). What is peculiar/suspicious about it is that although the paintings always seem to originate in China, the sellers/students are always Israeli. So, why are young Israelis (in preference to other nationalities) traipsing the world selling dodgy paintings?

]]> By: Sucker http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm/comment-page-4#comment-959 Sucker Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:24:36 +0000 http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm#comment-959 They're in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) now, same pitch as described above. If you get "got" cancel the check. If what they're doing is legit, they'll come back for new payment or to reclaim the artwork. I'm still waiting for them to come back... They’re in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) now, same pitch as described above. If you get “got” cancel the check. If what they’re doing is legit, they’ll come back for new payment or to reclaim the artwork. I’m still waiting for them to come back…

]]> By: Art Lover http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm/comment-page-4#comment-958 Art Lover Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:21:07 +0000 http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm#comment-958 I myself sold art, door to door. I have to say that it is a controversial subject indeed. At first I was quite repelled by the stories I've heard about people lying and saying they painted the art and so forth. I decided to give it an honest try. I've sold these beautiful paintings for 2 months. I haven't used a single lie in any sale, and I was the top seller in my team. These paintings are amazing. They were indeed painted by hand as far as my untrained eye can tell, since I see 2 of the same painting and they are quite different from one another. Almost every product we buy today is made in China and these aren't so very different. Do you know for how much the factory in China sells your Nike shoes? No more than a few Dollars probably. Furthermore, every product in the world today has mark-up. That means that the prices go up from the factory till they reach the client and that's exactly how it should work. The product we provide is of top quality, brought to the customers door so he can try it in his house, framed for him within the week in the convenience of his house, and handed to him on a silver plate. Just show me another company that provides people with that service, and still keeps the costs lower than any painting you can find in galleries today at that level and quality. We, the students and young people who sell it, work very hard day after day to provide this service and we earn an honest living. We are also taught and trained to be polite and nice since we are invading the people's private space and sanctuary and we treat them with the utmost respect. Someone who is rude, too pushy or aggressive in his sales will quickly be off the team. In any profession you will have dishonesty, lies and deceivers. Especially sales is a tricky business. Even the simplest salesman in any clothing store will show you the "nice side of the truth" so to speak. Does that make it the "great clothing stores scam"? The bottom line is that we provide an amazing product, at low cost, to your doorstep, work very hard for the customers to find something that they love, and change the misconception today that art should be only in museums and galleries. Please forgive the ones that don't believe in the product enough that they feel they must lie and deceive. I try to stop that phenomena as best as I can and explain to them that the truth is the most efficient sales "tactic". Hopefully we can get rid of that phenomena soon and continue providing people around the world these beautiful paintings. (posted this comment in a few other places because I think it's important to hear this side as well) I myself sold art, door to door.
I have to say that it is a controversial subject indeed.
At first I was quite repelled by the stories I’ve heard about people lying and saying they painted the art and so forth. I decided to give it an honest try.
I’ve sold these beautiful paintings for 2 months. I haven’t used a single lie in any sale, and I was the top seller in my team.
These paintings are amazing. They were indeed painted by hand as far as my untrained eye can tell, since I see 2 of the same painting and they are quite different from one another.
Almost every product we buy today is made in China and these aren’t so very different. Do you know for how much the factory in China sells your Nike shoes? No more than a few Dollars probably.
Furthermore, every product in the world today has mark-up. That means that the prices go up from the factory till they reach the client and that’s exactly how it should work. The product we provide is of top quality, brought to the customers door so he can try it in his house, framed for him within the week in the convenience of his house, and handed to him on a silver plate. Just show me another company that provides people with that service, and still keeps the costs lower than any painting you can find in galleries today at that level and quality.
We, the students and young people who sell it, work very hard day after day to provide this service and we earn an honest living. We are also taught and trained to be polite and nice since we are invading the people’s private space and sanctuary and we treat them with the utmost respect. Someone who is rude, too pushy or aggressive in his sales will quickly be off the team.
In any profession you will have dishonesty, lies and deceivers. Especially sales is a tricky business. Even the simplest salesman in any clothing store will show you the “nice side of the truth” so to speak. Does that make it the “great clothing stores scam”?
The bottom line is that we provide an amazing product, at low cost, to your doorstep, work very hard for the customers to find something that they love, and change the misconception today that art should be only in museums and galleries. Please forgive the ones that don’t believe in the product enough that they feel they must lie and deceive. I try to stop that phenomena as best as I can and explain to them that the truth is the most efficient sales “tactic”.
Hopefully we can get rid of that phenomena soon and continue providing people around the world these beautiful paintings.
(posted this comment in a few other places because I think it’s important to hear this side as well)

]]> By: Philip Stewart http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm/comment-page-4#comment-952 Philip Stewart Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:09:38 +0000 http://matthayward.com/2008/01/05/israeli-art-student-scam-in-melbourne.htm#comment-952 An extremely beautiful girl arrived on my doorstep just outside Oxford UK at 9 p.m. on Monday 12th July, said she was an Israeli art student selling paintings. I told her I shan't buy Israeli goods as long as Israel is occupying the West Bank and besieging Gaza. She left. An extremely beautiful girl arrived on my doorstep just outside Oxford UK at 9 p.m. on Monday 12th July, said she was an Israeli art student selling paintings. I told her I shan’t buy Israeli goods as long as Israel is occupying the West Bank and besieging Gaza. She left.

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